Large Binocular Telescope Project

Questions & Answers

concerning the RFP for the

Hydrostatic Bearing System

September 29, 1997

Question 1. (received 9 Sep 97)
We are unsure of the concept for the articulation of the supports. It is specified in 401a001, section 2.1, "... each support is tilting enough to compensate the sliding geometrical inaccuracy and deflections." The assembly drawings for the fixed supports, 440a011 (elevation lateral), 440a012 (elevation), and 440a014 (azimuth), all show the pad bolted to a cylinder in the center. This central cylinder (125 for the smaller bearing and 250 for the larger) appears from the calculations to be supporting 30% of the load, and we interpret the discussion to say that the bending of this cylinder provides the pad rotational freedom (of 0.1mm/1000mm maximum).

Is our interpretation correct? What fits are required between the cylinder and the mating parts? What is the purpose of this cylinder in the floating lateral pads, 440a010? Is the designer confident that the contact loads will seal the oil from reaching the bolt holes without additional seals?

Answer 1. We confirm that each support is tilting enough to compensate the sliding geometrical inaccuracy and deflections. The interpretation is correct: The bending of the cylinder provides the pad rotational freedom of 0,1 mm/1000mm maximum. The fit between the cylinder and the mating parts at both ends must be flat without backlash. (Roughness Ra 1,6 micron, and flatness 0,005 mm is enough.) The purpose of the cylinder is also to center the support in such a way to avoid any contact between the floating part and the fixed part, on the external diameter near the Glydring seal, ( for the floating supports as well ). The backlash on the external diameter can be about 0,1 mm on the radius, enough for the seal at the working pressure.The rotation gives negligible radial movement during the rotation of the support. The cylinder is centered inside the fixed part without backlash, and with a little backlash to permit the little displacements with the floating part. Indeed there is a little leak of oil through the screws, but it is very very small, it doesn't influence the pressure, and goes where there is already a lot of oil. Anyway a seal can be added if desired.


Question 2. (received 9 Sep 97)
In the "Technical Specification of Support Systems", 401a003, please clarify the items in the third group under section 1. Supply Description. - N. 8 Lateral supports of elevation axis; N.4 Dwg. a440A011a and N.4 Dwg 440A107a - Plus N.4 central pieces diameter 125 mm bored and tapered as per dwg. 400a010a ... Are the 4 central pieces referred to here the same as the cylinders in question 1 above? Why are there only 4? In what way are they tapered? (We do not have drawings 440a107a and 400a010a.)

Answer 2. The 4 central pieces are referred to here are the same as the cylinders in question 1. The supplementary 4 cylinders, and 16 bolts, are provided in order to permit the modification of a Fixed Support and make it become a Floating Support. The central cylinders are the only aspect which is different between a Fixed Support and a Floating Support. The reason for this is so that we can change (with some hard work) the amount of kinematic overconstraint which we apply to the elevation structure of the telescope.

We want to have:

Our apologies: The drawing numbers 440a107a and 400a010a are typographical errors. The correct drawing numbers are 440a017a and 440a010a which you already have.


Question 3. (received 9 Sep 97)
In Document 401a001, section 2.1 "Description of Solutions", the second to last paragraph refers to "Each hydrostatic support is equipped with four pressure transducers, to ensure contact absence during movement...". Is this intended to be a pressure transducer, or was a gap transducer meant? Nowhere else did we find mention of such a gap transducer.

Answer 3. Each hydrostatic support is equipped with four pressure transducers to ensure contact absence during movement. The transducers are indeed pressure transducers.


Question 4. (received 9 Sep 97)
With reference to 401a001, section 2.2.5, what is the heat rate unit of "F/H" (in kW for example)?

Answer 4. The units of cooling capacity in Italy are "Frigories/Hour". The correct conversion is:

1.0 F/hour == 0.00116 kW == 3.3e-4 Tons of Refrigeration == 4 BTU/hour

For example 30000 F/h is equal to 35 kW.


Question 5. (received 9 Sep 97)
The compressed air for oil return assistance is specified at "1,5 bar and 245.000 NI/h". What is the flow unit prefix N?

Answer 5. The flow is indicated by Nl/h or "normal litres per hour", in other words the air volume at atmospheric pressure per hour.


Question 6. (received 9 Sep 97)
The bearing plumbing connections are numbered on the assembly drawings, and on none of the drawings to we find the oil outlet connections (#5 on the small bearings and #7 on the large bearings). How many outlet connections are there per support?

Answer 6. The drawings don't show the oil outlet connections. These oil outlet connections are two for each support, connected to the groove 10 mm width and 10 mm deep, at two opposite sides of the support. On drawing 440a014a marker (7) is located halfway between (1) and (4).


Question 7. (received 9 Sep 97)
Please clarify what is included in the azimuth and elevation encoder mounting hardware.

Answer 7. The "azimuth and elevation encoder hardware" includes all the pieces that support the slider (readout head) for the Farrand strip encoders, between the structures (shown in the lower part of the drawing 440a010b) and the wheel bearing, both included.


Question 8. (received 9 Sep 97)
The stow pin drive appears to be an electric motor driven leadscrew carrying a moving bronze nut. Is this correct?

Answer 8. Yes, it is correct.


Question 9. (received 9 Sep 97)
The emergency drive engagement mechanism, as shown on drawing 523a011b, appears to have 30mm of traverse activated by a manual lever being moved 40 degrees between limit switches. Is this correct? The actual mechanism (and the purpose of the ball bearing) are not clear.

Answer 9. Yes, it is correct. The lever moves the centered joint between the two extreme positions. The ball bearing is necessary because the joint is rotating with the shaft.


Question 10. (received 10 Sep 97)
For the thermal control of the oil, are we to provide the refrigeration system as well as the two heat exchangers, or is chilled water for the heat exchangers available from a central site source?

Answer 10. The supply is only to include the heat exchangers. LBT will supply the external plumbing, chilled water/glycol from a central source and chiller control.


Question 11. (received 10 Sep 97)
"..... an internal rule of our company provides that all detail construction drawings have to remain company restricted. ......."

Answer 11. Be assured that as astronomers we are not interested in obtaining your proprietary technology of fabrication. However, we do have the concern of assembling our large telescope on a remote mountaintop in Arizona, so we want to be sure that all the parts work correctly and are well documented when they arrive. The purpose of the detail drawings is to assure that the fabricated parts meet the requirements of the telescope for both dimensional compatibility and function. We think that the "detailed construction drawings" could be substituted with a set of "detailed interface drawings" and "assembly drawings" which did not reveal proprietary fabrication know-how. These drawings would need to specify the precise dimensions and tolerances of the parts. The same Italian engineers which would examine the construction drawings would also inspect the finished parts before their acceptance by LBT.


Question 12. (received 10 Sep 97)
"...... Can we present an alternate solution without quoting the original one? ......"

Answer 12. Yes, we would accept and alternate proposal for a system of your design. You may submit an alternate proposal without replying to the original proposal. Clearly such an alternate must meet our dimensional and performance requirements as outlined in the Technical Specifications and the design report.


Question 13. (received 22 Sep 97)
"Could the deadline for proposal submission be extended by three weeks?"

Answer 13. We agree to extend the deadline by two weeks. A longer extension would have a negative impact on our overall bidding schedule. The new deadline is October 17, 1997 at 5:00 p.m..